STƏYWƏTE:N̓ pronunciation - Revision history

Nik at 2026-04-25T20:35:25

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	== See Also ==		== See Also ==
	* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Grey_Secondary_School		* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Grey_Secondary_School
	* [~~https://www.facebook.com/reel/1061768169420711~~ šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street]		* [[šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street]]

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	==~~Since recording the above, I have consulted [[~~ChatGPT~~]] which said:~~==		== ChatGPT Consultation ==

	'''Nik:''' What does STƏYWƏTE:N̓ mean and how is it pronounced?		'''Nik:''' What does STƏYWƏTE:N̓ mean and how is it pronounced?
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	Please note that this transcription is an approximation based on the pronunciation guide provided earlier and might not fully capture the nuances of the Hul'q'umi'num' language. Consulting a native speaker or a linguist with expertise in Hul'q'umi'num' would provide a more accurate IPA transcription.		Please note that this transcription is an approximation based on the pronunciation guide provided earlier and might not fully capture the nuances of the Hul'q'umi'num' language. Consulting a native speaker or a linguist with expertise in Hul'q'umi'num' would provide a more accurate IPA transcription.

	==Update: August 2025==		== Update: August 2025 ==
	After three years of uncertainty, the school finally provided an official explanation in its Community Newsletter (dated August 22, 2025), which was emailed to families. The newsletter states that:		After three years of uncertainty, the school finally provided an official explanation in its '''Community Newsletter (dated August 22, 2025)''', which was emailed to families. The newsletter states that:

	* The name is pronounced “sty-wa-tan” (a simplified pronunciation to help anglophone students).		* The name is pronounced '''"sty-wa-tan"''' (a simplified pronunciation to help anglophone students).
	* It means “the strength of the west wind,” symbolizing storms, cleansing, and new beginnings.		* It means '''"the strength of the west wind,"''' symbolizing storms, cleansing, and new beginnings.
	* The name was gifted by the Musqueam community in a naming ceremony held on May 20, 1998.		* The name was '''gifted by the Musqueam community''' in a naming ceremony held on '''May 20, 1998'''.

	~~Typos~~: staywaten, stywaten		''Common misspellings: staywaten, stywaten''

	==See Also==		== See Also ==
	* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Grey_Secondary_School		* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Grey_Secondary_School
	* [https://www.facebook.com/reel/1061768169420711 šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street]		* [https://www.facebook.com/reel/1061768169420711 šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street]

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Nik at 2026-03-06T16:38:57

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	* The name was gifted by the Musqueam community in a naming ceremony held on May 20, 1998.		* The name was gifted by the Musqueam community in a naming ceremony held on May 20, 1998.

			Typos: staywaten, stywaten

	==See Also==		==See Also==

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Nik at 2025-08-23T00:55:11

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	==Update: August 2025==		==Update: August 2025==
	After three years of uncertainty, the school finally provided an official explanation in its Community Newsletter (dated August 22, 2025) ~~[oai_citation:0‡Newsletter.pdf](file-service://file-RmahYguJrqoUt4uJEPDtsp)~~. The newsletter states that:		After three years of uncertainty, the school finally provided an official explanation in its Community Newsletter (dated August 22, 2025), which was emailed to families. The newsletter states that:

	* The name is pronounced “sty-wa-tan” (a simplified pronunciation to help anglophone students).		* The name is pronounced “sty-wa-tan” (a simplified pronunciation to help anglophone students).
	* It means “the strength of the west wind,” symbolizing storms, cleansing, and new beginnings.		* It means “the strength of the west wind,” symbolizing storms, cleansing, and new beginnings.
	* The name was gifted by the Musqueam community in a naming ceremony held on May 20, 1998.		* The name was gifted by the Musqueam community in a naming ceremony held on May 20, 1998.

	~~This aligns with much of what I had pieced together earlier, while also confirming the cultural context officially.~~

	==See Also==		==See Also==

Nik at 2025-08-23T00:54:06

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	[[File:Stəywəte-n̓.png\|200px\|thumb\|right\|the power of the West Wind, brings storms, cleansing, and new beginnings...]]		[[File:Stəywəte-n̓.png\|200px\|thumb\|right\|the power of the West Wind, brings storms, cleansing, and new beginnings...]]

	~~In 2022 my youngest~~ son started going to [https://www.vsb.bc.ca/schools/point-grey Point Grey stəywəte:n̓ Secondary School], but I didn't know how to pronounce it so I [https://x.com/edmiidz/status/1489315114452873218 asked the school on Twitter] but never got a response.		My son started going to [https://www.vsb.bc.ca/schools/point-grey Point Grey stəywəte:n̓ Secondary School], but I didn't know how to pronounce it so I [https://x.com/edmiidz/status/1489315114452873218 asked the school on Twitter] but never got a response.

	Then I decided to ask on [[Quora]], which did help me find an approximate pronunciation of it as well as some information about which Canadian First Nation's word it is:		Then I decided to ask on [[Quora]], which did help me find an approximate pronunciation of it as well as some information about which Canadian First Nation's word it is:
			* [https://www.quora.com/unanswered/How-do-you-pronounce-Point-Grey-st%C9%99yw%C9%99te-n%CC%93-Secondary-School How do you pronounce Point Grey stəywəte:n̓ Secondary School?]
			* [https://jp.quora.com/ポイントグレイ高校-Point-Grey-stəywəte-n̓-Secondary-School-の英語の発音はなポイントグレイ高校「Point Grey stəywəte:n̓ Secondary School」の英語の発音はなんですか？]

	*[https://www.quora.com/unanswered/How-do-you-pronounce-Point-Grey-st%C9%99yw%C9%99te-n%CC%93-Secondary-School How do you pronounce Point Grey stəywəte: n̓ Secondary School?]		It seems that the Musqueam language ([https://youtu.be/1wj0_tGAOVE?t=28 Hul'q'umi'num'] aka hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓) uses [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanist_phonetic_notation NAPA], which is closely related with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet IPA].
	*[https://jp.quora.com/ポイントグレイ高校-Point-Grey-stəywəte-n̓-Secondary-School-の英語の発音はなポイントグレイ高校「Point Grey stəywəte:n̓ Secondary School」の英語の発音はなんですか？特にその３つ目のstəywəte:n̓の単語が見つかりません。]


	It seems that the Musqueam language ([https://youtu.be/1wj0_tGAOVE?t=28 Hul'q'umi'num'] aka hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓) uses [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanist_phonetic_notation NAPA], which is closely related with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet IPA].

	Still, I feel like the placement of that word in the title without an explanation of it causes confusion. I think it was probably done in the spirit of respect, however by putting it there without providing more information, I think it creates more confusion and therefore doesn't bring about the desired outcome. I hope the school will reevaluate how it brands itself, and provides more details on what it is doing to be respectful to indigenous cultures than just creating confusion and mystique around them.		Still, I feel like the placement of that word in the title without an explanation of it causes confusion. I think it was probably done in the spirit of respect, however by putting it there without providing more information, I think it creates more confusion and therefore doesn't bring about the desired outcome. I hope the school will reevaluate how it brands itself, and provides more details on what it is doing to be respectful to indigenous cultures than just creating confusion and mystique around them.

			On a related note, I had difficulty hunting for my tweet with: [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3An%CC%93 https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:n̓] [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A ([https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:] does a little better).
	On a related note, I had difficulty hunting for my tweet with : [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3An%CC%93 https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:n̓] [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A ([https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:] does a little better)
	I believe it is the colon in the tweets which throws the search index off. Perhaps they might use the IPA long vowel character ː to write stəywəteːn̓, so search indexes would realize it's human language and not punctuation.		I believe it is the colon in the tweets which throws the search index off. Perhaps they might use the IPA long vowel character ː to write stəywəteːn̓, so search indexes would realize it's human language and not punctuation.

	I've recorded a video where I go into more details:		I've recorded a video where I go into more details:

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	==Since recording the above, I have consulted [[ChatGPT]] which said:==		==Since recording the above, I have consulted [[ChatGPT]] which said:==

	'''Nik:''' What does STƏYWƏTE:N̓ mean and how is it pronounced?		'''Nik:''' What does STƏYWƏTE:N̓ mean and how is it pronounced?

	'''ChatGPT4:''' STƏYWƏTE:N̓ is a word in the [https://youtu.be/1wj0_tGAOVE?t=28 Hul'q'umi'num'] language, which is the language of the Coast Salish First Nations people in British Columbia, Canada. It refers to the concept of "standing together" or "helping one another." The language has its own unique orthography, which uses special symbols and letters that may not be present in other languages.		'''ChatGPT4:''' STƏYWƏTE:N̓ is a word in the [https://youtu.be/1wj0_tGAOVE?t=28 Hul'q'umi'num'] language, which is the language of the Coast Salish First Nations people in British Columbia, Canada. It refers to the concept of "standing together" or "helping one another." The language has its own unique orthography, which uses special symbols and letters that may not be present in other languages.
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	* "E" is pronounced as in the "e" in "red."		* "E" is pronounced as in the "e" in "red."
	* "N̓" represents a glottalized nasal sound, which means that you should stop the flow of air through your nose when pronouncing it.		* "N̓" represents a glottalized nasal sound, which means that you should stop the flow of air through your nose when pronouncing it.

	So, a rough pronunciation of STƏYWƏTE:N̓ would be something like "stu-yuh-wuh-teh-n'". Keep in mind that this is an approximation, and it is always best to consult native speakers or language experts for accurate pronunciation.		So, a rough pronunciation of STƏYWƏTE:N̓ would be something like "stu-yuh-wuh-teh-n'". Keep in mind that this is an approximation, and it is always best to consult native speakers or language experts for accurate pronunciation.



	'''Nik:''' What would STƏYWƏTE:N̓ be in IPA?		'''Nik:''' What would STƏYWƏTE:N̓ be in IPA?


	'''ChatGPT4:''' While I am not an expert in the Hul'q'umi'num' language, I can offer a rough IPA transcription of the word STƏYWƏTE:N̓, based on the pronunciation guide provided earlier:		'''ChatGPT4:''' While I am not an expert in the Hul'q'umi'num' language, I can offer a rough IPA transcription of the word STƏYWƏTE:N̓, based on the pronunciation guide provided earlier:
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	* /ʔ/ is the glottal stop		* /ʔ/ is the glottal stop
	* /n̩/ is the glottalized nasal sound (the small vertical line below the "n" indicates that it is a syllabic consonant)		* /n̩/ is the glottalized nasal sound (the small vertical line below the "n" indicates that it is a syllabic consonant)

	Please note that this transcription is an approximation based on the pronunciation guide provided earlier and might not fully capture the nuances of the Hul'q'umi'num' language. Consulting a native speaker or a linguist with expertise in Hul'q'umi'num' would provide a more accurate IPA transcription.		Please note that this transcription is an approximation based on the pronunciation guide provided earlier and might not fully capture the nuances of the Hul'q'umi'num' language. Consulting a native speaker or a linguist with expertise in Hul'q'umi'num' would provide a more accurate IPA transcription.


	==Update: August 2025==		==Update: August 2025==
	After three years of uncertainty, the school finally provided an official explanation in its ~~[https://www.vsb.bc.ca/schools/point-grey/pages/newsletters.aspx~~ Community Newsletter] (dated August 22, 2025). The newsletter states that:		After three years of uncertainty, the school finally provided an official explanation in its Community Newsletter (dated August 22, 2025) [oai_citation:0‡Newsletter.pdf](file-service://file-RmahYguJrqoUt4uJEPDtsp). The newsletter states that:

	* The name is pronounced “sty-wa-tan” (simplified ~~for~~ anglophone students).		* The name is pronounced “sty-wa-tan” (a simplified pronunciation to help anglophone students).
	* It means “the strength of the west wind,” symbolizing storms, cleansing, and new beginnings.		* It means “the strength of the west wind,” symbolizing storms, cleansing, and new beginnings.
	* The name was gifted by the Musqueam community in a naming ceremony held on May 20, 1998 ~~[oai_citation:0‡Newsletter~~.~~pdf](file-service://file-RmahYguJrqoUt4uJEPDtsp).~~		* The name was gifted by the Musqueam community in a naming ceremony held on May 20, 1998.

	~~This aligns with much of what I had pieced together, while also confirming the cultural context officially.~~


			This aligns with much of what I had pieced together earlier, while also confirming the cultural context officially.

	==See Also==		==See Also==
			* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Grey_Secondary_School
	* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Grey_Secondary_School
	* [https://www.facebook.com/reel/1061768169420711 šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street]		* [https://www.facebook.com/reel/1061768169420711 šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street]

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	[[Category:2022 Articles]]
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Nik at 2025-08-23T00:52:18

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	[[File:Stəywəte-n̓.png\|200px\|thumb\|right\|the power of the West Wind, brings storms, cleansing, and new beginnings...]]		[[File:Stəywəte-n̓.png\|200px\|thumb\|right\|the power of the West Wind, brings storms, cleansing, and new beginnings...]]

	My son started going to [https://www.vsb.bc.ca/schools/point-grey Point Grey stəywəte:n̓ Secondary School], but I didn't know how to pronounce it so I [https://x.com/edmiidz/status/1489315114452873218 asked the school on Twitter] but never got a response.		In 2022 my youngest son started going to [https://www.vsb.bc.ca/schools/point-grey Point Grey stəywəte:n̓ Secondary School], but I didn't know how to pronounce it so I [https://x.com/edmiidz/status/1489315114452873218 asked the school on Twitter] but never got a response.

	Then I decided to ask on [[Quora]], which did help me find an approximate pronunciation of it as well as some information about which Canadian First Nation's word it is:		Then I decided to ask on [[Quora]], which did help me find an approximate pronunciation of it as well as some information about which Canadian First Nation's word it is:
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	* /n̩/ is the glottalized nasal sound (the small vertical line below the "n" indicates that it is a syllabic consonant)		* /n̩/ is the glottalized nasal sound (the small vertical line below the "n" indicates that it is a syllabic consonant)
	Please note that this transcription is an approximation based on the pronunciation guide provided earlier and might not fully capture the nuances of the Hul'q'umi'num' language. Consulting a native speaker or a linguist with expertise in Hul'q'umi'num' would provide a more accurate IPA transcription.		Please note that this transcription is an approximation based on the pronunciation guide provided earlier and might not fully capture the nuances of the Hul'q'umi'num' language. Consulting a native speaker or a linguist with expertise in Hul'q'umi'num' would provide a more accurate IPA transcription.


			==Update: August 2025==
			After three years of uncertainty, the school finally provided an official explanation in its [https://www.vsb.bc.ca/schools/point-grey/pages/newsletters.aspx Community Newsletter] (dated August 22, 2025). The newsletter states that:

			* The name is pronounced “sty-wa-tan” (simplified for anglophone students).
			* It means “the strength of the west wind,” symbolizing storms, cleansing, and new beginnings.
			* The name was gifted by the Musqueam community in a naming ceremony held on May 20, 1998 [oai_citation:0‡Newsletter.pdf](file-service://file-RmahYguJrqoUt4uJEPDtsp).

			This aligns with much of what I had pieced together, while also confirming the cultural context officially.

Nik at 2025-06-29T21:37:00

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	==See Also==		==See Also==

	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Grey_Secondary_School		* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Grey_Secondary_School
			* [https://www.facebook.com/reel/1061768169420711 šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street]


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Nik at 2024-05-27T07:42:03

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	On a related note, I had difficulty hunting for my tweet with : [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3An%CC%93 https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:n̓] [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A ([~~https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A~~ https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:] does a little better)		On a related note, I had difficulty hunting for my tweet with : [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3An%CC%93 https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:n̓] [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A ([https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:] does a little better)
	I believe it is the colon in the tweets which throws the search index off. Perhaps they might use the IPA long vowel character ː to write stəywəteːn̓, so search indexes would realize it's human language and not punctuation.		I believe it is the colon in the tweets which throws the search index off. Perhaps they might use the IPA long vowel character ː to write stəywəteːn̓, so search indexes would realize it's human language and not punctuation.

Nik at 2024-05-27T07:41:17

2024-05-27T07:41:17Z

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	On a related note, I had difficulty hunting for my tweet with : [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3An%CC%93 https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:n̓] [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A (https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A]does a little better)		On a related note, I had difficulty hunting for my tweet with : [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3An%CC%93 https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:n̓] [https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A ([https://x.com/search?q=st%C9%99yw%C9%99te%3A https://x.com/search?q=stəywəte:] does a little better)
	I believe it is the colon in the tweets which throws the search index off. Perhaps they might use the IPA long vowel character ː to write stəywəteːn̓, so search indexes would realize it's human language and not punctuation.		I believe it is the colon in the tweets which throws the search index off. Perhaps they might use the IPA long vowel character ː to write stəywəteːn̓, so search indexes would realize it's human language and not punctuation.